Comments on: YoYo and the Community http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/ Gamemaker news, comment, discussion, opinion and community news Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:42:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ivor B http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8279 Ivor B Sat, 03 May 2008 20:07:42 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8279 Sorry Phil, I have an addition to the above in respect of a qoute: Qoute "Mac market share may still be low, but it is rapidly growing, much faster than PC sales overall." Yes but you havent figured for the fact that alot of people upgrade PCs rather than investing in a complete new system. Please remember aswell that alot of people use PC's for the interenet and then have a console for the games, as they are fed up with upgrading a PC everytime a new game comes out. Dont get me wrong the MAC is a good system, however is the selling point for a MAC buyer to use it to make software? For the average user no, PC's are far cheaper and more widespread, and theres already a massive range of languages and tools available for it... IMO the MAC is bought (in the most part) by the same people who jumped to get an Iphone, the trendy suits who want to go to work with a wafer thin, latest high tech fashionable brand. The average user will always choose a PC over MAC simply because there is more support for it, and is cheaper. I would be interested to see where the figures are that say MAC sales are growing faster than PC..maybe you could tell us your source? Cheers. Sorry Phil, I have an addition to the above in respect of a qoute:

Qoute “Mac market share may still be low, but it is rapidly growing, much faster than PC sales overall.”

Yes but you havent figured for the fact that alot of people upgrade PCs rather than investing in a complete new system. Please remember aswell that alot of people use PC’s for the interenet and then have a console for the games, as they are fed up with upgrading a PC everytime a new game comes out.

Dont get me wrong the MAC is a good system, however is the selling point for a MAC buyer to use it to make software? For the average user no, PC’s are far cheaper and more widespread, and theres already a massive range of languages and tools available for it…

IMO the MAC is bought (in the most part) by the same people who jumped to get an Iphone, the trendy suits who want to go to work with a wafer thin, latest high tech fashionable brand. The average user will always choose a PC over MAC simply because there is more support for it, and is cheaper.

I would be interested to see where the figures are that say MAC sales are growing faster than PC..maybe you could tell us your source?

Cheers.

]]> By: Ivor B http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8277 Ivor B Sat, 03 May 2008 19:26:22 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8277 We've been discussing this over at AKH blog for a couple of days, and if anyones interested its still continuing...I'll qoute one of your posters here: Qoute "Anyone who complains about the Mac version of Game Maker is a moron" I dont think anyone is complaining about a Mac version per say, the problem is (as I see it) that Yoyo has not resolved all its issues with its current release and yet its investing more money into another platform that whilst yes is becoming more popular, has still a long way to go. Speaking as a complete outsider to any Yoyo products, the whole branding of the product has problems. GM doesnt know what it is or who its marketed to. The Yoyo site which should be the flagship of the product and the selling point to investors/new users, comes across as completely amateur.... Games that are reasonable are swamped by a plethora of click on the sprite and platform games that infringe copyright. GM is apparently for all ages, yet its own site hardly displays that...You have the owner of the company who is "down with the customers" and making admitions that their customer service is rubbish....Thats great for the users but its hardly a selling point for investment....especially when some of the fan sites look more pro than the official yoyo one. As I said on the AKH blog, Enigma already seems the more professional package (speaking as someone who uses niether) and the fact that its made by hobbyists and is completely free, would be (IMO) another warning signal to investors. I really hope Yoyo do make a sucess out of the GM project, as I would not like to see any small company fail, but with all the great innovations/new servers/C++ runners/£1000 compos/MAC distros that they are bringing in, I just cannot see how a return can be made...as I said before, even if all 100,000 users registered the software, that would only return £1million, significantly less than the investment that Sandy has stated they are wanting to make.. In the meantime other bigname products are being released as freeware, and there are a multitude of opensource compilers on the net that are free of charge.... Anyway, if you would like to continue this, please join us at AKH blog, theres no flaming in regards to this just a decent discussion about Yoyo and the place of small software houses in todays market... Cheers. We’ve been discussing this over at AKH blog for a couple of days, and if anyones interested its still continuing…I’ll qoute one of your posters here:

Qoute “Anyone who complains about the Mac version of Game Maker is a moron”

I dont think anyone is complaining about a Mac version per say, the problem is (as I see it) that Yoyo has not resolved all its issues with its current release and yet its investing more money into another platform that whilst yes is becoming more popular, has still a long way to go.

Speaking as a complete outsider to any Yoyo products, the whole branding of the product has problems. GM doesnt know what it is or who its marketed to. The Yoyo site which should be the flagship of the product and the selling point to investors/new users, comes across as completely amateur…. Games that are reasonable are swamped by a plethora of click on the sprite and platform games that infringe copyright. GM is apparently for all ages, yet its own site hardly displays that…You have the owner of the company who is “down with the customers” and making admitions that their customer service is rubbish….Thats great for the users but its hardly a selling point for investment….especially when some of the fan sites look more pro than the official yoyo one.

As I said on the AKH blog, Enigma already seems the more professional package (speaking as someone who uses niether) and the fact that its made by hobbyists and is completely free, would be (IMO) another warning signal to investors.

I really hope Yoyo do make a sucess out of the GM project, as I would not like to see any small company fail, but with all the great innovations/new servers/C++ runners/£1000 compos/MAC distros that they are bringing in, I just cannot see how a return can be made…as I said before, even if all 100,000 users registered the software, that would only return £1million, significantly less than the investment that Sandy has stated they are wanting to make.. In the meantime other bigname products are being released as freeware, and there are a multitude of opensource compilers on the net that are free of charge….

Anyway, if you would like to continue this, please join us at AKH blog, theres no flaming in regards to this just a decent discussion about Yoyo and the place of small software houses in todays market…

Cheers.

]]> By: ihatepenguins: a puppet of mrsmes? « the AKHLog V3 http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8267 ihatepenguins: a puppet of mrsmes? « the AKHLog V3 Sat, 03 May 2008 09:41:50 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8267 [...] failure, it’s customer service, has had an article written about it [by Phil Gamble] on GameMakerBlog.com. Coincidence? [...] [...] failure, it’s customer service, has had an article written about it [by Phil Gamble] on GameMakerBlog.com. Coincidence? [...]

]]> By: Phil Gamble http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8266 Phil Gamble Sat, 03 May 2008 09:36:33 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8266 I would just like to say, that this article was not made to express my judgement on YoYo Games, but to reflect the different views in the community towards YoYo Games. I would just like to say, that this article was not made to express my judgement on YoYo Games, but to reflect the different views in the community towards YoYo Games.

]]> By: Broxter http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8264 Broxter Sat, 03 May 2008 09:00:23 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8264 I agree with timoi. YYG can only be a good thing for GM. I agree with timoi. YYG can only be a good thing for GM.

]]> By: msr http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8250 msr Fri, 02 May 2008 22:30:58 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8250 Anyone who complains about the Mac version of Game Maker is a moron. If Game Maker doesn't go on the Mac, it will end up being overtaken by something that is cross-platform. Then where will it be? Mac market share may still be low, but it is rapidly growing, much faster than PC sales overall. Anyone who complains about the Mac version of Game Maker is a moron. If Game Maker doesn’t go on the Mac, it will end up being overtaken by something that is cross-platform. Then where will it be? Mac market share may still be low, but it is rapidly growing, much faster than PC sales overall.

]]> By: Timoi http://gamemakerblog.com/2008/05/02/yoyo-and-the-community/comment-page-1/#comment-8245 Timoi Fri, 02 May 2008 21:14:23 +0000 http://gamemakerblog.com/?p=330#comment-8245 "Many members are disappointed at the lack of apparent progress": The people who are disappointed have no knowledge of how business works, unrealistic expectations, and zero patience. In the last year the GM world has seen more progress than in any year previously. With 3 competitions to date, a revolutionary new site, new GMC servers, massive investments, more stunning games than were ever released before, fantastic portabilty of GM to come, and more. Long live YYG. “Many members are disappointed at the lack of apparent progress”: The people who are disappointed have no knowledge of how business works, unrealistic expectations, and zero patience. In the last year the GM world has seen more progress than in any year previously. With 3 competitions to date, a revolutionary new site, new GMC servers, massive investments, more stunning games than were ever released before, fantastic portabilty of GM to come, and more. Long live YYG.

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